Interview with David H

Posted by Helen on: 10.23.2006 /

David H has kindly agreed to be our ninth online interview candidate. (You can read all our online interviews here)

The purpose of this interview is to give you the opportunity to listen to David as he shares his thoughts and opinions with you.

If you want to discuss whether David’s views are correct, we invite you to do that here on the discussion board. David is welcome to participate in discussions there about his views if he wants to. If he doesn’t have the time or inclination that’s fine with us - we don’t consider doing so ‘part of the interview’.

I’d like to post more online interviews. If you’d like to send one in, you can find the instructions and questions here.

Please share a little about yourself with us

What screen name do you post under — so we know you when we see you?

David H

Would you like to share any of the following so we can know you better: your age range, whether you’re married or single, have children, what kind of work you do, what area of the U.S. (or other country) you live in?

I’m 45 for just a few more days. I live with my wife and 2 daughters (9 and 12) within shouting distance of the Delaware Water Gap in eastern Pennsylvania. Did you know that the Water Gap used to be considered something of a marvel in the world? I am a photo editor at major daily newspaper (Pulitzer Prize winning) in the New York City market.

What do you like to do when you have some time to yourself?

I dabble in poetry, more as therapy (I haven’t found anyone really interested in reading what I write, so I think Frost and Sandberg are safe). I coach soccer for my youngest, take pictures when we do things, listen to music (usually during my hour-long commute) and love NPR. I’m also a huge fan of movies, particularly war, SciFi and horror (go figure since I am a pacifist). I read when I can (average about 3 pages a day that can be anything from a psychology text to pulp novels) and I write occasionally (usually stuff in the sermon vein) and hope to one day write at least one really good short story. Favorite authors include Ursula K. LeGuin, John Updike, Ray Bradbury, Philip Yancey, Tony Hillerman, Dostoyevsky, John LeCarre, C.S. Lewis and (of course) J.R.R. Tolkien.

Please share with us something you really enjoy about your life.

I love where we live, except for the allergies. There is less sense of people breathing down my neck all of the time and it reminds a bit of my childhood on a farm in central PA. I like many things about my job, which often has a sense of adventure and forces me to keep learning. I love my church, a small Mennonite meeting in New jersey where I have f ound a sense of peace and love I didn’t think could happen in a church. And, to my amazement, I really, really enjoy being a father. I am forced to teach and learn unceasingly. It is a challenge, no doubt. But I am overwhelmed by how much my daughters love me. I don’t remember ever feeling that way when I was a child.

If you could wave a magic wand and change one thing about you or your life, what would it be?

There are plenty of things that haven’t turned out the best in my life. I grew up living with a sexual predator who was a school teacher and church leader. My oldest brother committed suicide when I was 18. My family is a partly estranged and frequently dysfunctional unit. But my experience has taught me that wishing to change past events is a trap into which many unhappy people have fallen. What is done is done. All I can help to shape is what remains and that only with the knowledge and experience gained from what has been done. However, all t hat being said, if I could change anything I would be less of a procrastinator.

You and Conversation at the Edge

How did you find Conversation at the Edge (or, the eBay atheist blog) and what drew you to post in the comments section?

My pastor signed me up for a newsletter that I treated like spam for about 6 months until I had a moment of boredom at work.

Is this the first time you’ve participated in any online discussions on the internet? If not, could you share with us what other sorts of online discussions you like to participate in?

I have posted some one-off comments at a few sites related to computer technology and politics. The former is related to my work and the latter is an unhealthy interest of mine. I am both attracted and repelled by American politics and government. My interest in recent years is predominantly because of Christian involvement in politics (both U.S. and world).

Has posting on Conversation at the Edge (or the eBay atheist blog) changed you in any way?

I have found it a bit addictive. When there is no “conversation” occurring I feel a bit of a let down. I appreciate the chance to share ideas, to gain perspective from other points of view and to build relationships. I don’t much like to argue. But I do like to talk.

You and church/other groups

Were you raised going to church and are you currently a church attender?

I was raised attending church. The first I remember was called Harbor of Light in Uniontown, PA. We spent several years at a Christian Missionary Alliance and many more at a relatively conservative church in Morgantown, W.VA. As a teen I attended a Plymouth Brethren meeting for a few years before the family came to the Evangelical Free Church that was my “home” church through college. These days we attend a Mennonite church in NJ. I’m not a Mennonite and not even a member of the church. But I do appreciate much about what Mennonites believe (service and pacifism as examples).

What is your main reason for choosing to be a church attender/not to be a church attender at present?

I chose not to attend church regularly for years. I couldn’t make a connection at the few I visited, so I just stopped trying. After the birth of our first child my wife felt like we should start up again, but we didn’t have too much luck until we stumbled on the Mennonite church. What we found almost immediately was a sense that the people there cared about us. So we kept coming.

Apart from church are there any groups you participate in regularly for faith-based, social and/or self-improvement reasons?

Not really. If I have free time (i.e. no family or work obligations) then there is usually something I can do with or for the church I attend. Plus I have five acres of grass to cut for much of the year and a house w/pool to maintain. And that 1/4-mile drive is great fun to plow in the winter.

Is there anything else (outside work and family) which you devote significant time to? Or used to, or hope to in the future? (We understand that for some of you, work and family takes up almost all your time at present)

The Off The Map blogs take up a bit of time. I used to spend more time writing and hope to do more at some point in the future.

Labels people might use behind your back (and sometimes to your face): “fundy” or “fundamentalist”

Has anyone ever called you a “fundy” or “fundamentalist”? Have you heard or read anything which tells you that some people talk about you like that behind your back?

Fundy isn’t a word I ever had hurled at me. I have been called a communist, anarchist, and a few other such terms. The communist crack came during a Bible study. Somehow the discussion got around to some radio preacher who was proclaiming a date for the end of the world or some similar nonsense. The woman talking about it just happened to graduate from the same Christian college in the same year as I did. I questioned who rather myopic praise of this preacher and what he was saying. I mentioned that we had both been taught in school to question everything — especially in matters of faith. She kindly suggested that I should move to the Soviet Union if I wanted to be a communist. The love of Christ can, apparently, be fickle.

How would you/do you feel about being called a “fundy” or “fundamentalist”?

It isn’t so much the term as to why it is being used and by whom. I don’t think it likely such a descriptor would ever be applied to me, but I would be worried only if I felt it fit.

Are you aware of any assumptions or associations people make about “fundies” which don’t apply to you?

Doctrine is critical to fundamentalists. I find most aspects of doctrine simply divisive. I am also not big on Christian laws. I find the Bible terribly useful and quite fascinating, but it is not critical to my faith. I likewise don’t like blind obedience. Fundamentalists I have spoken with have more than once said: “If the Bible says it, then it must be true. And if it is true then we have to do it.” I have a tendency to try and think through the consequences of doing the true thing (for others more than myself). I also have a tendency to get myopic. If the “true” belief conflicts with my sense of God’s love, then my first reaction is to ignore the belief.

How do you like to describe yourself regarding your beliefs?

Always willing to learn. Always trying to love.

What (else) would you like to tell the people who call you a “fundy” if you thought they were listening?

The people more likely to have problems with me are those who are fundies. If they called me the anti-Christ (or whatever) my tendency would be to say: “Love God above all things and love me as you love yourself.”

Labels people might use behind your back (and sometimes to your face): “lost”

Please answer the following questions if your beliefs differ in any significant way from this: “Every human being has a “sin’ problem separating him/her from God and the only way to resolve my own sin problem is to believe that Jesus is God and Jesus took care of it for me”.

Has anyone ever called you “lost”? Have you heard or read anything which tells you that some people talk about you like that behind your back?

I have probably been called lost, although I am told I first accepted Jesus at age 3. However, I believe there were many years — middle school through my 20s — where I was lost. I didn’t know who I was and where I was going. And I had definitely done the “born again” thing.

How would you/do you feel about being called “lost”?

I have come to a degree of acceptance that most people are lost much of the time in one way or another. The sense of being in control is largely an illusion.

Do you feel “lost” in any way — is there anything you’re trying to find, or is anyone trying to find you, as best you can tell?

I frequently feel lost. When I see a father and son having a good time together I really feel lost. Many times I look at or read about relationships between parent/child or man/wife and wonder why that hasn’t been my experience. I sometimes feel lost in attempting to do thes e things because I didn’t have a lot of good teaching experiences while growing up. Many times I feel as if I am trying to find myself. But I am growing more comfortable with the sense that searching is OK.

Are you aware of any assumptions people make about “the lost” which don’t apply to you?

The most common usage of the term lost seems to apply to people who don’t believe in God or Jesus. That doesn’t apply to me.

How do you like to describe yourself regarding what you believe or have no belief in?

I like to learn. I am willing, as a result, to listen to alternative beliefs and viewpoints. But I reserve the right to decide for myself. And I grow increasingly doubtful that my fundamental (yeah, I said it) beliefs can be shaken. Those are that there is an all-loving God who sent his son Jesus to earth as a way to reconcile all people to God.

What (else) would you like to tell the people who call you “lost” if you thought they were listening?

I think a lot of people, “saved” and “unsaved” have lost parts. Just because you’re a pastor or a deacon or a CEO doesn’t mean there aren’t parts of your life that are lost to yourself or others. Everyone I have ever known was broken in some way. That’s just life. Neither Jesus, nor anything else will take away the lost or broken parts. But that doesn’t mean you and God can’t build on them.

You and the Bible

Do you own a Bible? Do you ever read the Bible or look anything up in it? If so, what is your main reason for doing so?

I own several Bibles and a computer program with about 30 translations. My favorite at the moment is Eugene Peterson’s “The Message.” I look things up as a point of interest, when I am writing something (espeically sermons), and sometimes just to read. I frequently check multiple translations on a reference looking for the most poetic language or the language that best conveys the intent.

As best you know, has anything in the Bible influenced you in a good way (directly or indirectly)?

Much in the Bible has influenced me in positive ways. However, I am constantly dismayed by how some people use the words of that book in less constructive ways.

As best you know, has anything in the Bible influenced you in a negative way (directly or indirectly)?

There are many things in the Bible that I question, at least in terms of how they are interpreted by people today. How the Bible is used by people has had more of a negative effect on me than anything written in it. There are also many things in the Bible that I simply conclude I can’t understand at the moment. I really worry about those who claim they know it all about what is written in that book.

Has anyone expressed disapproval to you about your own personal opinion, or use, of the Bible? What would you like them to understand better about you and the Bible, were it possible?

If you read anything I have written above I’m pretty sure you already know the answer to this question. Yes, people have expressed disapproval about my opinions and my use of the Bible. What I try to tell people is that there is a difference between the Word and the word. The former refers to Jesus. The latter is the Bible. They are not the same thing. The big W existed before time and is part of God. The little w was inspired by God and written by man. It is, for want of better terms, just words about God and Jesus. It is not in any way, shape or form God and Jesus. Thus our human interpretations of those human words don’t necessarily lead to a full and complete understanding of the divine being whom I worship.

Anything else

Is there anything I forgot to ask that you’d like to tell us?

I love coffee. Like many other things, when I get interested in something, I tend to become a bit obsessed. I frequently talk to people about how to make the perfect cup of coffee. And also talk to them about fair trade and how the economics of coffee is important spiritually and otherwise.

Also, as an addenda to the question about being called a fundy or lost: I try not to get very bent about what somebody calls me. The terms applied by others to me don’t necessarily say much about who I really am. However, how I react to them does.

I appreciate the opportunity to share who I am. I know I have lots of opinions and can be quite verbal on many subjects. I tend to get excited about lots of things. Forgive me if I seem over-bearing or come off as if I am attempting to control a conversation. You can always tell me to just be quiet and listen. I won’t take offense.


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22 Responses to "Interview with David H"

  • Comment by: David H

    1 10/23/06 4:40 AM | Comment Link |

    I forgot to mention one other important member of the family, our dog. My daughter swears he is a Hovawart (a German breed), but the people at the shelter where he lived insist Bernese Mountain Dog mix. I just say he is a big black dog who is very gentle and loving.

  • Comment by: Helen

    2 10/23/06 6:38 AM | Comment Link |

    David, thanks for sharing more about yourself with us. I’m sorry about your brother - that must have been hard. Not that that was the only hard thing you’ve been through but suicide is an awful thing for a family to deal with.

    Your interest in coffee reminded me of Grendel. I found out about him because he was guest hosting hamo’s blog: The Backyard Missionary, which I occasionally visit, for a couple of weeks (even though Grendel is an atheist and hamo is a Christian).

  • Comment by: David H

    3 10/23/06 7:36 AM | Comment Link |

    Is it “great mind’s think alike” or “obsessive compulsive’s act alike.” His track toward coffee knowledge sounds much like mine, except I found someone who lives a few miles away who home roasts coffee (saving me a bundle on gear and time).

    The Water Gap Coffee Company began as a hobby and, despite the name, is just a couple of people and a roaster. Amy, chief roaster at the Water Gap Coffee Company, will sell to anyone, but is kind enough to personally deliver orders to people who live nearby. And as Grendel rightly observed, you can’t beat fresh.

  • Comment by: Julie Marie

    4 10/23/06 7:57 AM | Comment Link |

    The best coffee I EVER had was in Mexico. There wasn’t a lot to recommend there - we were living on fried eggs and pbjs, basically, but the coffee was perfect, every time.

    I brough some fresh roasted beans home, and they were really good. My coffee loving sister especially enjoyed it.

    Maybe I’ll send her some stuff from Water Gap as a “I’m thinking about you” suprise.

  • Comment by: Julie Marie

    5 10/23/06 8:07 AM | Comment Link |

    Burmese Mt. Dogs are so appealing to me. Problem is I live in the deep south. That’d be a crummy place to live if you were a burmese mt. dog. We stick with labs and mutts.

  • Comment by: David H

    6 10/23/06 8:10 AM | Comment Link |

    Part of my affinity for coffee is that it is among the safest drinks no matter where you are in the world. When I was in Vietnam I couldn’t even always have a soda because of issues with ice. But I could always have a nice hot cup of coffee.

    Of course, given that it was 110 degrees every day in Saigon with humidty that made it feel like a constant steam bath, a cup of hot coffee doesn’t exactly feel the same as cold soda. But it’s still liquid.

    And little known to the rest of the world is that the Vietnamese grow some top notch coffee (not much is exported) and have a unique serving style that I just love. Coffee is made by pouring boiling water into a small press placed on top of the cup. At the bottom of the cup is condensed milk. Once the brew is done you stir it all up for one of the strongest/sweetest cups of coffee you will ever have. That is called ca phe sua (su-wa) nong. You can safely order it iced in the US (ca phe sua da).

  • Comment by: David H

    7 10/23/06 8:13 AM | Comment Link |

    Even in Pennsylvania our dog doesn’t enjoy the summer. Fortunately we have a couple of creeks on our land where he can sit and soak. But he truly comes alive when there is snow on the ground. I doubt he is Bernese (wrong head shape), but whatever is mixed inside him definitely came from someplace cold.

  • Comment by: Mike O

    8 10/23/06 11:31 AM | Comment Link |

    Coffee I can take or leave, but if someone would come up with a nice little Diet Mt. Dew plantation, oooh baby. Now you’ve got my attention.

  • Comment by: David H

    9 10/23/06 11:35 AM | Comment Link |

    I always keep a six of 24-ounce Mt. Dew in my car just in case of emergency. But I have lately become fond of the new energy drinks. SoBe No Fear is the equivalent of 3 cups of coffee.

  • Comment by: Paul

    10 10/23/06 11:35 AM | Comment Link |

    Thanks David, good to know more about you, appreciate you sharing :)

  • Comment by: David H

    11 10/23/06 11:50 AM | Comment Link |

    Paul, my caffeine addiction is an open book.

  • Comment by: Mike O

    12 10/23/06 12:00 PM | Comment Link |

    We’ve all got our vices. Mine is pop. I buy it on sale and usually have a trunk full. That’s the nice thing about northern winters … my pop is always cold.

  • Comment by: Mike O

    13 10/23/06 12:03 PM | Comment Link |

    Oh, and as any good Dew Connoisseur would know, concentrated Orange Juice is the #2 ingredient behind water, so IT’S GOOD FOR ME!

    At least that’s what I tell myself.

  • Comment by: David H

    14 10/23/06 12:34 PM | Comment Link |

    Haven’t heard pop in awhile. We grew up (near Pittsburgh) calling it that, but it became Soda when we moved east. Oh, and we dropped the R in wash.

  • Comment by: benjamin ady

    15 10/23/06 1:21 PM | Comment Link |

    David–thankyou for sharing. It’s good to get to know you a bit. It’s good to hear a positive report on a local expression of a Mennonite church. I have been enormously impressed over the past year or so to have learned about some of the amazing and enormous social justice things the Mennonite Central Committe is quietly doing worldwide, and have often wondered how that might translate to a local expression. Sounds like it works well.

  • Comment by: Siamang

    16 10/23/06 3:43 PM | Comment Link |

    Fantastic interview. Thanks so much, David!

  • Comment by: David H

    17 10/23/06 7:25 PM | Comment Link |

    Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and comments. I certainly appreciate the opportunity to share with you.

  • Comment by: Jim Henderson

    18 10/24/06 12:01 AM | Comment Link |

    I find the Bible terribly useful and quite fascinating, but it is not critical to my faith.

    David

    Where did you acquire the wisdom to express your relationship with the bible in this manner? What fascinates you and why is it not critical to your faith? What does your faith feed off of? And if the bible isnt critical or at the center( an many evangelicals say it ought to be) then what is?

    BTW - I very much enjoyed this interview as well as many of your thoughtful responses to other posts and comments

  • Comment by: David H

    19 10/24/06 5:43 AM | Comment Link |

    I don’t know that my expression shows any wisdom. I have had plenty of people tell me otherwise. As to how I arrived at my thoughts, I have read some spiritiual authors, Philip Yancey and C.S. Lewis in particular, and some of what they say dovetails. I have also talked about this extensively with the two pastors at my church. Both were very helpful as guides and sounding boards.

    What fascinates me are the stories, the depth of meaning, the human insight, and the inexplicable. There are things in the Bible I don’t understand. Why would a loving God — who a few hundred years later sends his son to earth — tell his people to irradicate an entire group of people? I don’t entirely understand, but I am pretty sure that doesn’t give any world leaders today carte blanche to start a war for any reason. I am also attracted by the simplicity of the message of Jesus and how screwed up modern Christianity has gotten on that subject. What he asks isn’t that hard, but we have made it impossible for so many people.

    When I say the Bible isn’t critical, I mean that it isn’t central. As a Christian, Jesus is central. Since he is an aspect of God, then that makes God central as well. What comes next are people. My family, friends and neighbors. All the people I have been charged to love as I do myself. The Bible is a useful tool to help me understand some things about how to put God and people (including me) in the right place.

    I have had plenty of people tell me that the Bible is the only way to truly know God. I can’t agree with that. I have heard modern stories about people who came to an almost spontaneous knowledge of God. And the Bible has many stories about people who came to know God and they, obviously, didn’t have the Bible to help them. But mostly I just don’t want to get myself confused. The Bible is valuable and important. But if it becomes the end all and be all of faith then it is in fact an idol.

    My faith, such as it is, feeds off the things mentioned above. It is an amalgamation of God (however I experience him/her), Jesus as he can be known via the Bible and other people, truth (wherever it is found), and love (as it is and as I believe it should be). I don’t think I am a very good Christian. I have problems with prayer and frequently feel like I could use more of a servant heart. It is much easier for me to be ruled by cautions and fears than by my faith. I try to stay aware of those issues, but not let them be the things that define me or my faith. I am what I am for a variety of reasons. I can’t stop and say what I am is all that I can ever be. But likewise, I can’t set artificial spiritual goals and then beat myself up if I don’t get there. I hope for myself the same as I hope for others, strength to grow and forgiveness of failure.

    The best word to explain what is at the center of my faith, it is love. I use as a measure for when someone tells me something is God’s will or that the Bible says we should do something. I use it to try and reorient myself when I am lost or confused about something. And I use it as a covering for the things I’m not ready to or capable of understanding.

    As an example, a few years ago some evangelicals spoke out against the road map to peace in the Middle East. They claim that the Bible says Israel must have the borders of the Davidic Kingdom before the second coming will occur. Therefore, any peace plan that involves Israel giving away land is counter to the will of God.

    I don’t know how God intends to accomplish his plan on earth. That really is too big for me. I believe that he will and that, whether I want to or not, I will play an extremely small role in that. I don’t know that the road map to peace is a good plan, but I do know that the position taken by those Evangelical leaders is unloving. Their opposition to peave insures that people will continue to be killed and injured in Palestine and elsewhere in the world. My belief is that I am not called to take a macro-political or macro-spiritiual position on these matters. I asm supposed to simply help those who are hurting while constantly proclaiming that peace is the ultimate aim of Jesus.

    God doesn’t want me standing on the sidelines waiting for the governments of the world to work out his will. The world will turn according to his will if God is in fact God. God wants me doing what little I can to say Jesus loves you — Jew, Palestinian, Arab or whoever else — and he would not want you to suffer because I did nothing.

    Thanks for the opportunity to explain.

  • Comment by: Jim Henderson

    20 10/24/06 11:36 AM | Comment Link |

    When I say the Bible isn’t critical, I mean that it isn’t central. As a Christian, Jesus is central

    For Evangelicals this is a completely new thought. The Bible has replaced Jesus as the center of their religion. Happy to hear you have escaped that trap

  • Comment by: Siamang

    21 10/24/06 3:15 PM | Comment Link |

    Great thoughts, David. I’m really enjoying hearing them.

  • Comment by: Meg

    22 10/27/06 1:10 AM | Comment Link |

    Thanks, David. Your words were comforting for me.

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