A Texas Baptist who sounds like Jim

Posted by Christine on: 02.20.2008 /

by Christine Wicker

As some of you know from past posts (years ago now) I’ve written a new book about evangelicals. It’s called “The Fall of the Evangelical Nation: The Surprising Crisis Inside the Church.” It won’t publish until May 1, but I’ve been re-connecting with some of my sources and friends from when I was a religion reporter at The Dallas Morning News. One of them is George Mason, the senior pastor at Dallas’ Wilshire Baptist Church. George spoke at the New Baptist Covenant meeting in Atlanta.

For those of you who don’t know a lot about Baptists, the Southern Baptist Convention was taken over by ultra-conservatives, some say fundamentalists, a couple of decades ago. A lot of Texas Baptists opposed that takeover. George has been a leader in the alternative Baptist convention called the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.

I asked to see his remarks at the Atlanta meeting. I’ve always admired George and know that he is fearless in being willing to think through hard questions. He is a conservative guy. I’ve been told that he’s a Republican. Together we experienced what we both felt was a “God” moment once. But that’s another story.

He started his remarks in Atlanta with some examples of how people like to divide the world into two camps and how they use the idea to put themselves among the good and others among the bad. Then he says,

“Baptists of all kinds have been susceptible to this divide-and-conquer approach. We have even made salvation seem more like an offer than a gift. We have carved up the world into the lost and saved, counting ourselves among the saved and looking upon the majority of the world as damned to hell. We seem to prefer a sparsely populated heaven that proves our rightness, instead of a vastly populated one that proves God’s mercy. Our missions and evangelism efforts must call people to faith - no argument there; but in doing so, we must not make Christ’s work on the cross seem lacking until we set the world to rights. Faith does not establish the ground for salvation; Jesus did that. Faith grants the experience of it. Jesus said from the cross, It is finished.”

That a Baptist minister of any ilk would say such a thing just blows me away. I know it’s happening now in all sorts of circles, but BAPTISTS? There is change afoot. George continues:

Instead of understanding our election as mission, the way we should - as our responsibility to be the salt of the earth and the light of the world, we have taken it to be that we are fortunate insiders in a world of unfortunate outsiders. It’s time we stopped this administrative “us and them” game of sorting the elect and the non-elect, the saved and the damned, and left this up to God. It’s time we got on with the missional work of bearing witness to the grace of God that isn’t waiting for the world’s recognition of it, but is waiting for our proclamation of it. It’s time we got out of management and into marketing. On second thought, it’s time we got out of the business of religion altogether and got into relationship with the world for which Christ died.

That’s a stunner. Out of the business of religion?

It’s not up to us to account for the standing of others before God; it is up to us to stand before God and give account of our witness of good news to the poor, the captive, the blind, and the oppressed - they, too, are included.

He then goes on to talk about Islam and his own regrets about supporting the war as much as he did, and he touches on the wrong idea that God is favoring or punishing either side.

As one theologian puts it: We should not wish divine judgment on anyone or any nation; we should wish them God’s shalom. When you imagine that God hates all the people you hate, then you can be sure you’ve created [God] in your own image. … German pastor Martin Niemoeller who was imprisoned by Hitler for eight years … [said it well], ‘God is not the enemy of my enemies; he’s not even the enemy of his own enemies.’

Neimoeller’s bold claim needs nuancing. To say that God is not even the enemy of God’s enemies is not to say that God doesn’t have enemies, or that we don’t. God does, and we do. We do. But it means that, like God, we are not permitted to be our enemies’ enemy. As Dr. Shaw said yesterday, We must not reject our rejectors.

And yet, we cannot be naïve about evil. We must not ignore evil or deny its existence.

And then this:

The line between good and evil runs right down the middle of every human heart.

And then this:

I told the story of a woman interrogator at the Guantanamo detention camp in Cuba. She had served a year in the military and then went back to Iraq as a civilian contractor. She quit after the Abu Graib prison scandal, feeling that she could no longer abide the work. She joined up as an interrogator some time later, trying do some good and chase the demons from her own soul.

“My job,” she said, “was to obtain information that would help keep U.S. soldiers safe. We’d meet, play dominoes, I’d bring chocolate and we’d talk a lot. There was one detainee, Mustafa, who joked that I was his favorite interrogator in the world, and I joked back that he was my favorite terrorist - and he was. He’d committed murders and did things we all wished he could take back. He asked me one day, suddenly serious, You know everything about me, but still you do not hate me. Why?

“His question stopped me cold,” she said. Then she mustered this reply: “Everyone has done things in their past that they’re not proud of. I know I have, but I also know God still expects me to love Him with all my heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love my neighbor as myself. That means you.

“Mustafa started to cry. That’s what my God says, too.

“Accepting Mustafa helped me accept myself again. … People say, Hate the sin, not the sinner. That is easier said than done, but I learned that there is true freedom in accepting others unconditionally.”

Reading such things gives me hope for us all. New Baptist Covenant 08


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12 Responses to "A Texas Baptist who sounds like Jim"

  • Comment by: Helen

    1 02/20/08 8:49 AM | Comment Link |

    Hi Christine, thanks for guest blogging for me today!

    I love this statement from George:

    We seem to prefer a sparsely populated heaven that proves our rightness, instead of a vastly populated one that proves God’s mercy.

    Jim Wallis talked excitedly about this meeting in his book talk I heard Monday.

  • Comment by: pamhogeweide

    2 02/20/08 1:24 PM | Comment Link |

    Christina’s in the house!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wow, thanks for sharing this. I like this guy George.

    One of my fave lines:

    We seem to prefer a sparsely populated heaven that proves our rightness, instead of a vastly populated one that proves God’s mercy.

    Wow. I’m gonna have to quote him on that one.

    So encouraging to hear that the winds of change are blowing through the southern baptists. Fab-u-lous. There is undoubtedly an epidemic of restlessness that refuses to recognize party lines or denominational boundaries. Rock on, Holy Spirit, for this is Who I think is agitating all this angst and spiritual provocation.

    Glad to hear an update about your new book. I’ll review it and blog about it, for sure. I love your writing and your voice. Glad our paths have crossed in OTM!

  • Comment by: Helen

    3 02/20/08 1:52 PM | Comment Link |

    That was one of my fave lines too, Pam - did you see?

    By the way, Christine’s going to be posting on our Justice and Compassion blog tomorrow. And she’s planning more guest appearances here.

    Jim is excited about Christine’s new book - he had the opportunity to read it already because he’s writing an endorsement for it. I’m looking forward to reading it when it’s available!

  • Comment by: Elane

    4 02/20/08 4:20 PM | Comment Link |

    Christine,

    Thank you for sharing this with us. It is an affirmation and encouragement to me - as is Jim and all Off The Mappers. We march to a different drum and the more that join with us the better.

    I am looking forward to reading your new book.

  • Comment by: Christine

    5 02/20/08 9:30 PM | Comment Link |

    Pam, thanks for thinking about reviewing the book. I don’t know how it will be received.

    Elane, I’m glad you found the quotes affirming. I did too. He’s coming pretty close to saying that everyone is saved by God’s grace. At least that’s what it sounds like to me.

    I also loved the story about he woman realizing that only way to self forgiveness was through forgiveness.

    Has anyone read Mary Gordon’s book, Pearl? It’s about goodness and forgiveness of oneself and the limits of what we can expect of ourselves. I think about such matter a lot. As I’d bet you all do too.

    I hope to post something later about trying to find those boundaries.

  • Comment by: Justin McKean

    6 02/21/08 8:59 AM | Comment Link |

    Ok, wait a minute. Not fair. How am I, an atheist, supposed to argue with someone who thinks I’m going to hell if everyone up and changes their mind about that?!? I might have to find something socially constructive to do!

    Actually, I’m seeing this movement toward a more inclusive spirituality everywhere and I find it very heartening. Imagine what we can do when we (meaning atheists, too) finally set aside all of our differences and really work together!

  • Comment by: Helen

    7 02/21/08 9:33 AM | Comment Link |

    Justin wrote:

    Imagine what we can do when we (meaning atheists, too) finally set aside all of our differences and really work together!

    Exactly! Thanks for your comment, Justin.

  • Comment by: Amy black

    8 02/21/08 3:52 PM | Comment Link |

    Wow, that’s an amazing quote from a Baptist. Even if that story about the interrogator wasn’t true, it’s just as powerful. It makes me wonder what I would do in that situation and I don’t think I have it in me to be that merciful. Amazing.

  • Comment by: Jim Henderson

    9 02/22/08 9:02 PM | Comment Link |

    hate to pile on but I also loved

    We seem to prefer a sparsely populated heaven that proves our rightness, instead of a vastly populated one that proves God’s mercy.

    Brian McLaren talks just like this

  • Comment by: dennis hooker

    10 05/13/08 5:10 PM | Comment Link |

    I wrote a book, “Welcome To My Sandbox - Don’t Pssst In It”. I think the title tells it all. Why, Christine, do I even have to evaluate or designate if a group is “evangelical” - or not?

    If I leave a church or a cause or relationships (or political ideology) it is because playing in the Sandbox with those others no longer meets my needs - or it/they trespass into my space. It’s not “global” - it’s personal. Persons become thousands or millions - one by one.

  • Comment by: The Reverend Doctor Fleischer

    11 05/25/08 5:46 PM | Comment Link |

    Let us not forget the “Mainstream Baptist Network” and the “Texas Baptists Committed.” We are not a part of the Southern Baptists.

  • Comment by: dennis hooker

    12 05/26/08 5:03 AM | Comment Link |

    Hello Christine,

    In our 12 Step groups (Alcoholics Anonymous) we assert - “The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking”.

    Could it be said in churches - “The only requirement for membership is a desire to Love The Lord?”

    It feels so good when people such as George Mason tell the Truth - not self-serving versions of it.